Number of Students from India in Australia Declines by 25% on March 2012 (compared to March 2011), according to recent monthly report from Australia Education International on International Students in Australia Statistics.
As at year-to-date (YTD) March 2012, there were 351,878 enrolments by full-fee international students in Australia on a student visa. This represents an 8.5% decline on the same period in 2011 and contrasts with the average YTD March growth rate for enrolments since 2002 of 6.5% per year.
International Students in Australia Statistics
Following Chart taken from the above reports shows the actual number of International Students Enrollment in Australia during March 2012.
New Zealand is bolstering their efforts to attract International students from Australia. According to New York Times
With Australia suffering a recent drop in international student numbers because of factors like a stronger currency and a number of violent attacks on Indian students in 2009, it could be an opportune time for New Zealand.
“New Zealand might pick up some of the losses that Australia has experienced,” said Mr. McCormack, the Universities New Zealand official. “However, Australia is a class act in the international education market from whom New Zealand could learn much.”
We have Ashish Arora who is Graduate Student in Australia and have posted few articles about Education in Australia.
Australia has made changes to Migrant Visa and Streamlined Student Visa process to make it easier for students to get the visa.
Don’t you think this decline in number of students can be good news for students who are going to Australia? Less competition means more funding right?
What is your preferred choice of destination? Can you list the countries in your order of preference?
Example – USA, Canada, Australia, Singapore, New Zealand, UK, etc.
I have done my UG in EEE and has an aggregate of 60. Im currently working with TCS for the past 2years. Am I eligible for MS in comp Science related subjects? Which all universities can I apply?
I am an IIT grad and came to US for my masters.
Why US and not Australia or UK?
Firstly, getting accepted into US school was a matter of honor. Only the best made it through.
Secondly, I saw that most people who were applying to Australian schools were those who could not get in even Tier 3 undergrad schools in India! In fact, none of the IIT grads applied to any Aussie school!
The general perception in India is that you go to Australia only if you don’t get accepted to tier 1 college in India or anywhere in US.
This may be an incorrect perception but recent brutal attacks on Indians doesn’t help the situation either.
The lesson for Australians is that they can lose the entire segment fairly quickly unless they improve education and educate their public to be more civil and less xenophobic.
I came to know that in Australia,we need a PR grant to secure a job.Conversely,to get a job requires us to attain citizenship as many recruiters make it clear in the beginning that PR status is essential.
How is that anyone could handle such puzzling scenarios?How can one gain experience in Australian workfield when foreign students are deprived of attending almost all the interviews?
What in your opinion is the best way possible to settle in Australia?
What is disappointing is that the Australian government is making so much money from these Indian international students and then make it so hard to get permanent resident. They are using you guys, don’t you see? They are making it even easier for international students to come and spend what around $ 20,000 to $ 30, 000 a year and then makes the PR so hard to get. Many students then have to go back. They don’t care about you, all they care about is your money. It is a business. They don’t want you to migrate there but instead go there temporarily as students and inject a lot of money boosting their economy. It’s their strategy. I was a student there and I wanted to stay there but after figuring out what is really going on, I decided to live. I have my dignity and self respect, they think so poorly of visible minorities especially Indian students. Build your own country guys, keep your money in your country, why invest your money in a country where you are being used and not really welcomed. Have some dignity and self respect.
Everybody has got their own experiences which cannot be generalized for masses.
What you have failed to mention Neel is that you, and so many others with your attitude, view India and Indian education just as a stepping stone to try and migrate to a so-called advanced country. If you had dignity and self-respect then you might still have gone to Australia, if you felt that it gave you better education, but you would have come back to your country and spread around the benefits of that education.
{chances of getting PR after IT Masters in AUSTRALIA}
what i want to know is what is the chances of getting PR in Australia after a Masters in IT degree from an Australian decent university…..
Another Ques. is that Can an Indian get placed directly from an Australian university(similarly like in India)???
Please reply ASAP…
The rules have changed recently so its a bit difficult to get PR right after u graduate, and placement is rare in an Australian University even if u have a very good GPA. Getting a job depends on ur networking skills and how well u present ur self in the market. I got my Master in IT and got a job within 2 months while my friend who studied in a more reputed university had had a better GPA[ Mine 6 his is incredible 6.4/ out of 7] still hasn’t found work in his field [Its been over 18 mths].
Mr. Ashish Arora, did you post your ideas on pros n cons u mention earlier in comments?
Eagerly waiting for your ideas.
Please post.
Very helpful.
Thanks.
Hello Everyone…. I am done with my B.Tech and I am planning for masters.. After seeing this post I wasn’t able to judge that which country is best for Electrical Engineering and for jobs.. Even though I have proper insight regarding masters in usa but, want to hear few points from u guys about the masters in Australia, Germany, Canada…
The number of students going to a foreign country is also proportional to the possibilities of getting job/settling abroad. In australia it is difficult so number is coming down. Also Indian media painted a very racist image of australia. In USA, although getting jobs is difficult, people are hanging on OPT, CPT, volunteer, desi consultancy or Ph.D., post doc in hope of better times. I have a friend who returned back to India after 11 years in US- He did 2 years MS, 5 years Ph.D. and 4 years in Post Doc in Civil Engineering from Texas A & M University but could not find a job. So he returned back to India. In 3-4 years, Indian students will be returning back to India from USA if present scenario continues and then new students coming will be discouraged.
i am not sure how to infer on the basis of a single case study but yes it is true that two to three years in the past have been really tough for Indians due to migration policies and high rate of unemployment in USA.
But still the questions haunts me to choose a highly reputed university over country? to explain should one choose unversity of melbourne in aus. over 150 rank university in USA?
choose over 150 rank USA university. atleast OPT is there of 29 months to recover some money. In australia you have to pay full fees and may have to leave immediately after finishing course. dont take rankings too seriously, its not like India where companies come for campus recruitment like IIT/NITs if you study in high ranking university – aus or USA or UK.
so you mean that rankings in USA is not the representation of high Job probability .In USA, we got more opportunities to work after the degree completion.That’s something different than what India follows…It means that a US university ranking 150 also is as good as number 1 university of Aus or UK in terms of job expectation and other benefits..Wow!
Job probability in foreign countries depends on foreign countries policies in allowing visa for foreigners etc. Just because your university ranking is high doesnt mean that you will be given H-1B visa in USA or allowed to stay in britain after completion of course. Thats what I mean to say. Presently USA, UK are under recession so dont put your expectations sky-high. But as HSB also says, there are jobs in IT companies and students are finding jobs. Its not like you will not find jobs.But dont expect much if you come to US in say fields like Biotechnology or chemistry and expect companies to file H-1B visas for you just because you are from high ranking universities. You dont see companies coming for campus recruitment and selecting foreign students and giving them job offers just because they are studying in high ranking universities-be it USA, Australia or UK. you see that in India, not here.
I don’t agree with you. Please go down and read comment of “So here is the Deal says:”…I think he got the point. I know that point is specific to Computer Science but that guy is absolutely right with his observations.
Well as far as i know, it is better if you opt for a good uni in US for higher education even if you want to work in Australia, UK or India, because a US degree(especially if it from top 10-20 % of unis)is regarded as very prestigious and would help you get a good job anywhere(Aus, canada, UK), however a vice-versa isn’t usually true. i.e. an australian or a UK degree wouldn’t necessarily result in a good job in US or anywhere else. So study in US and then you can go anywhere.
Absolutely wrong!!! No one will give job in Australia or Canada without PR or citizenship. Only option for you is to apply for PR but geting PR even after having several year of experience is not as easy as someone mentioned in the forum.
and Adi this is other way round. You can get job in US even if you have a degree from India or Australia but it is difficult to get job in Australia no matter how much TALENTED or QUALIFIED you are because they have straight rules, you cannot apply for jobs if you don’t have PR or Citizenship.
Are u sure u want to say that u cant get a job in Australia without having a PR? Because that implies they dont have anything like Work Permit in there.
Well Work Permit is there and I have seen people getting work permit but it is not as easy as you get job in US, people everyday going to US from companies like Wipro, Infosys, Satyam, IBM etc. For work permit, your occupation must be in Employee Sponsored list and an employer should be ready to employ you but again I think government has laid down rules in such a way that companies prefer to hire people within the country unless it is very urgent and important for business so chances for such jobs are less but my friend you never know. If you get a job like this you are really luck. After working for certain years on Work Permit visa, you can further apply for PR.
That’s a good post and i really like to comment on that..i have been thinking a lot about choosing right universities and the country for my Phd course and in that pursuit i discussed with many people who have done MS and Phd from different countries and have settled doing jobs.I would like to share my inferences:
USA is the best choice to pursue degree since USA gives lots of opportunities after completing course .I think we all are looking to do work for some years at least if not getting settled.My in- law is working in Microsoft and graduate from university of southern California and while discussing with him on the same topic he suggested to prefer USA over Canada and Australia.
Regarding Australia, even i am eager to know more.Regarding this i had a discussion with my friend settled in perth after completing Phd.He is of the opinion that racism issues have been hyped a lot by the media and the situation is under control.Australia does has good universities such as university of Melbourne but the issue is high living cost.You need to get high scholarship to survive. Immigration is pretty ok but permanent residency takes time on case to case basis.
I would like to know more about auss universities and living .
Canada has good universities and is a nice place to live.Immigration is easy and lot many Indians..IF you don’t get USA, look for Canada.Cold weather is problem and people who are uncomfortable with the cold should think of the consequences in the long term.
In my case i m going for good universities and is taking risk of choosing countries like aus or canada just for the sake of doing a good degree from a good univ…
You have very right information about Australia, your friend is right I would say. There are still many good universities in Australia but cost of living and education is certainly very high and there is no concept of scholarship here.
It will be great ashish if you can highlite pros and cons of studying in australia..Most of us seem to just follow the USA Fad.I have read but u i think if you list cons also.
I am a mechanical engineer and is trying to get admission in university of melbourne for pursuing Phd.One of the professors has accepted me to be my supervisor (as u have to identify supervisor for applying).I am doubtful about the university?
How do u see this university at global status.Ranking in the world is among top 30 and in Aus it is no. one.
You have mentioned about the scholarship.I think there are some scholarship provisions specifically for Indians.What do you want to convey be by saying “no concept of scholarship”.is getting financial aid or scholarship difficult in Aus.
Can you exemplify on that?
I really appreciate your point about the jobs in Australia.Is it true that even you are from a good aus. university ,they will not offer any job if you dont have PR.
Is the process of getting PR very difficult?
This is something problematic for those who really are looking on ROI.
Please reply
I am a mechanical engineer and is trying to get admission in university of melbourne for pursuing Phd.One of the professors has accepted me to be my supervisor (as u have to identify supervisor for applying).I am doubtful about the university?
How do u see this university at global status.Ranking in the world is among top 30 and in Aus it is no. one.
University of Melbourne is really good university, no doubts about that. Melbourne has great job opportunities.
You have mentioned about the scholarship.I think there are some scholarship provisions specifically for Indians.What do you want to convey be by saying “no concept of scholarship”.is getting financial aid or scholarship difficult in Aus.
Can you exemplify on that?
Hey buddy, I was talking about MS and not PHD, PHD does have scholarship. You have to get more information from professor, mate go to the website and apply for scholarship, get in touch with professor for more information regarding scholarship. I can help you by only this link:
http://www.jason.edu.au/
I really appreciate your point about the jobs in Australia.Is it true that even you are from a good aus. university ,they will not offer any job if you dont have PR.
Yes, that’s true!!
Is the process of getting PR very difficult?
Well PR depends on individualistic basis, if you are needed in the country based on your age, English competency(IELTS Score), your past experience in any country, 2 years of study requirement, your qualifications, your profession and it’s demand in the country, your knowledge on languages in Australia(Hindi, Punjabi and Tamil are most popular Indian Languages here), certifications and associations with Australian associations. Go to immigration website for more information and check for yourself how much you are suitable you are for PR.
Best of Luck!! and I will soon a post on pros and cons of education in Australia and the reason why I choose Australia over other countries with very honest opinion.
My choice for higher education would be :
USA->USA->USA->USA->USA
If I don’t get my F1 Visa , I’d rather stayback in India and look for some onsite oppourtunity in some european country and then eventually apply for H1B through my company .
Like I mentioned earlier in the previous posts ,its quite easy to obtain a student Visa to Australia , but then I am not sure if it is woth spending so much unless you get into a top university!!
After 4 years of work experience in India , one can directly apply for Austrlian work visa and migrate there .
Mr. Luther, it is not as easy as you think, first of all there is difference between work visa and offshore PR. There are lots of offshore and immigration visas in Australia. Work visa is not so easy to get because any employer who will recruit an international employee has to prove Australia Government that they were not able to find that skills or people having expertise in that skills in Australia. Second option is offshore PR, offshore PR is not as easy as ONSHORE PR and also Australian PR depends too much on individualistic cases. If you are into IT domain which is not required here that means is not listed in MODL list, you are not needed even if you have 100 years of experience in that domain.
“After 4 years of work experience in India , one can directly apply for Austrlian work visa and migrate there”
It might be a case few years back but not now.
Well my advice to you will be rather than looking out for US if you think you can get an offshore PR then why don’t you give it a go. If you manage to get PR then getting job would be very easy and once you get a stable job you can apply to top ranked university like ANU, University of Melbourne, University of Sydney, UNSW(AGSM) and you can study in almost 50 to 60% of the total cost which is equivalent to getting that much of scholarship as an Australian Permanent Resident. Would this be a smart decision or going to US with no job and spending lots of money, time and hard work on education solely on a hope that one day you will get job.
To summarize, it is not as easy as you think, both countries have oppurtunities but it is not as easy as just writing a statement on a forum.
Hey Ashish,
Thanks for the info on PR and work visa.
I agree that its better to look for offsore PR and then study but
follwing are the reasons why I don’t want to choose Australia over USA for my higher education.
1. I am into IT domain and I want to persue MS in computer science .
US is the ultimate location for computer science professionals
why? because The Global Giants are from US, to name a few:
MICROSOFT, ORACLE, SUN-MICROSYSTEMS, LINUX. In the field of network ? CISCO. In the field of OFC (Optical Fiber Cable) ? AT&T AMERICAN TELEPHONES & TELEGRAPH, BELL-LABS. In the field of Application Software ? MOTOROLA, GE and the list goes on and on. ( Not that i’ll certainly work for one of them:) )
2. The authors of almost all of my undergrd(B.E) books are from the US .
Eg: there is book on DBMS and the author is a professor from UT Arlington , I am planning to attend UT arlington and take DBMS as one of my course , just imagine how much of difference it makes to study a course under a professor whose book is used world wide!!
3. The sole purpose of me doing MS is to gain knowlwdge , practical exposure , finally for a long term career prospects.
If the purpose was to get a PR and citizenship , then I would have probably opted for Canada , Australia , New zeland , etc..
4. Huge Job oppourtunities in entire Australia is limited to Melbourne, Sydney , Perth , Brisbane and probably Adeliade where as in the US you will find oppourtunities equal to the above listed cities in a single state like Texas.
I have plenty of relatives living in Australia and they are not in IT and they are doing really good ,since I am into IT , I would obviously want to choose a country which has better oppourtunities for my field of interest.
Good decision and nice points taken into consideration my friend…Best of luck!!!
Hello Everyone,
I have completed my Masters from NUS and presently working here. I would like to state that if you do not want to end up in Banking (where money is good but work is extremely hectic), its better if you have about 2 years of experience previously. Most research based companies here prefer people with experience and most of the other companies are start-ups which do not prefer freshers as they do not have the resources to train a fresher.
This is just the general trend here and it should not hinder your aspirations.
Just keep this mind, and all the best.
Germany would be the best for me as te cost remarkably less but look at their engg prowess. USA-> too costly
Canada-> not too sure of their electronics engg reputation(dont know for sure though) and cost is similar to US
1.USA
2.Canada
I would love to be in USA because of its technological superiority and world class education….but high cost of education is the major factor worrying me….
If not USA the Canada because its really only the best alternative (in terms of cost,edu,lang etc) but climate is a drawback here..(too cold!) ……..
USA, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Germany, sweden, any European country
But i already selected the first option and got it right.
I am Electrical Engineer and my order of preference is
1)USA
2)Germany
3)Canada
4)Switzerland
5)New Zealand
6)Singapore
No Australia for me because of racism, and no UK for me because of the fact that there are very little to no job prospects (That’s what I think about these two countries, I may be wrong).
USA and Germany are the pioneers in the field of engineering. Many companies in my field are German (Siemens, Schneider etc.) and ABB is Swiss company (near to Germany) and that is the reason my second option is Germany.
Ofcourse USA is much ahead in terms of technology compared to other countries. Next on 3 is Canada because it is good technologically and the visa process is a lot easier compared to Germany.
Singapore is last because I would not like to stay permanently in Singapore.
I am sorry, I wanted to write that the visa process of Canada is lot easier than USA.
“..and ABB is Swiss company (near to Germany) and that is the reason my second option is Germany.”
ABB is a SWEDISH company, not Swiss. The Swiss make watches, cheese and chocolate.
The Swedes are famous for cars like Volvo and SAAB, figher planes like Viggen and JAS, cell phones like Ericsson, washing machines by Electrolux, invented the pacemaker and respirator and seems to have developed a delusion of grandeur to take over the world with IKEA. Yes, I’m a Swede myself so I should know.
Seriously. Many foreign students seem to have had very good experiences from studying at Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm (KTH), Sweden’s foremost technical college. They’re in the world forefront of medical technology. KTH is tightly followed by Chalmers Institute of Technology in Göteborg. Linköping university and their technical college is renowned for their intense CS/CS-engineering programs and research, in close collaberation with technology heavy companies like SAAB (once founded in Linköping) The technical colleges in Lund and Uppsala, which are part of their university structures are worth checking out as well.
..for job prospects in CS one shouldn’t forget the booming computer games industry in Sweden. Electronic Arts (huge US video game company) bought DICE (a Swedish founded computer games company) some years ago and those companies are constantly searching the technical colleges and around the world for the talented programmers they need. Companies like ‘Propellerheads softare’ develops revolutionizing virtual synthersizer software used by many professional music artists today, a company where there are always positions open for the most talented programmer folks. Spotify (music service) and the world famous Skype software were also developed by Swedes. Lastly, something funny worth mentioning is that Sweden actually holds more Nobel laureates per capita than US, Canada and UK.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Nobel_laureates_per_capita
For Computer Science – I feel this will be best :
1. USA – Best in CS. In the end every one wants to end up in Silicon Valley. Though I won’t choose anything less than 20 Ranked in US.
2. Canada – If u get UBC, U of T, Univ. of Waterloo, McGill University – I will chooses these universities any day above the US univ. whose Rank is Below 30 in World. Fees is too cheap and you have easy immigration rule. Moreover – Near to US, so cheap education and great job chances. Great PR chances.
3. Australia – Due to some of the great universities like Univ. of Melbourne – though Costly – But ROI is also good. Atleast if u studied CS – you will surely end up in CS company or field.
4. Europe – Some of the universities are really good in research and some countries have favorable immigration policies. UK is no no for me – They will kick you out after one year of Master course . Moreover I don’t think 1 yr of Master will have a great impact on me – In that 1 year 2-3 months will go in understanding the system itself. UK has some world class universities but In the end when Job time will come either u will be kicked out or u will be exploited and paid less [If u want to stay in UK u have no other option.]. Germany is more of Automobile and Mechanical – Cheapest Masters u can do in whole world. Some Scandinavian Countries like Norway, Sweden, Finland is also on list of some of the students. Now I personally don’t have any problem with cold. These countries are no where in world class education – I mean I am not sure if the degree is Internationally valued or not. Though these countries are the best place to live in the whole world and in some of these countries education is free even for International Students. Sweden recently has changed its policies in this financial matters – do check before you go. France, Switzerland and Netherlands are other European countries one can think of – Great opportunities here esp. in Research.
5. Singapore and New Zealand – NUS and NTU are the universities you must look for. If you want Asian cullture – you have it. But nowdays I have got this news from my friend’s brother(Bachelors NTU, Ph.D NUS in CS) that people from CS are ending up in Banking and other sectors. Now this is what I personally don’t understand “Why would any one study CS if they end up in Consulting and Banking ??” New Zealand is last for CS. This country is mostly for those going for Masters in Dairy (Milk) or Agriculture thing. Very beautiful country and the ease of getting PR – do attract a lot. Cost wise Singapore is cheapest with 2 yr fees as 5-6 lakhs. New Zealand is costly 20-25 Lakhs.
Personally if you are getting into top 10-15 US university in your field go for it.If not US – You get a University X which is the highest ranked or Ranked 2-3 in that respective country like NUS,NTU for Singapore, 4 univ. of Canada, top ranked univs in respective countries then GO for it.
In the end I will choose top university in any country than the 2 or 3 tier US university. Don’t just be blind and follow other like a sheep. Think your own way to achieve something great in your life. If you follow the crowd – Maximum you will be the leader of the crowd but if you will take your own path you may reach some place where no can think of reaching Always follow your dream and listen to your heart – That is the mantra of Success – IMHO.
Very appropriate description about all the countries. Love the above post…Kudos!!!!
[If u want to stay in UK u have no other option.]
Absolutely wrong idea.It’s way much tougher ,all right.I’ll give you that.But don’t misguide people by saying ‘You Have no other option.’
There are new routes/routes like Graduate Entrepreneur,Entrepreneur,Exceptional Talent.Not to forget the Tier 2 Work Permit where they are allowing 20,700 people coming to UK from outside Europe.And For the first year of implementing this Tier 2 rule,they actually filled around 11000 (April 11 -April 12).
Tough and no way doesn’t mean the same thing.
USA->Germany (since I am a Mechanical engg.) > Canada>Singapore > UK (only to Oxbridge, Imperial, LSE) > New Zealand > Australia.
What I feel is that when even started thinking to go abroad for my MS , Australia didnt come to my mind.. Mostly coz of the racial attacks over there (although my friends over there say its media-hyped-story) . Since we are not there, we can’t judge it. But racism has hampered their image in India for sure… Maybe students would wanna be there, but parents wouldnt like their kids going to that country which is allegedly very racist. Besides, Australia can never compete with US in terms of the value of a degree. For me its gonna be The Deutschland!!!!
Rightly Said!!