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Do you really think all of those going to US are doing so for mere Money.
I know that after 5-8 u will be paid 3-4 Lacs per month in India.
But my personal reason to Choose US over India is not money but the real reason is I am treated as HUMAN BEING and not any number (I would use ‘dog on the road ‘here).
Who wants to live in a country where when u go out the home, you know if you met with an accident on the road – no one come to your aid, you will bleed to death on road and all people will do is surround you and see you die but no one will take you to hospital as they don’t want any police intervention in their life ?
Who wants to live in a country where you are just a number on the road and no security for your loved ones ?
Think of the accident scenario happening with your loved ones. Who wants to work in a country where you have to work on a project in the industry in which you have no interest, your interest in particular field is not entertained; for the same job you have there are thousands and thousands of person in line who are actually willing to work at a lower pay?
Why would the company bother about you?
Here people don’t wake up in the morning and go for job but they are exploited to hell.
In the end you say you are not able to stay with your family members, how many of us while working in IT company actually gets time to actually do so?
We work 10-12 hrs/day(bit optimistic here) and when we come home all we do is eat/sleep for the rest hour s.
Would you not like to be working in a country where you can come home at 5 pm each day ?
Take your family to club, movies or for some dinner/entertainment, give time to your spouse and your children, attend PTA and able to enjoy your life with your family.
Isn’t that what every one wants in the end ?
In India if you are working, forget about the family, we don’t even have time for ourself – we won’t have time to even ponder where our life is going and all we will remember is we have worked some X years.
When you become old not will be on your death bed, most of the working class people will think that if only We had given more time to Family?
NO one thinks if only I had worked 1 more hour on that project. Do you want to live in a country where any goonda/person comes and slap you and you won’t even go to the police from the fear what they will ask/do and what if the goonda/person comes to know ?
Leave all this – do you want to live country where all people talk about is Cricket and Movies, for they have no other topic?
You should know only around 15 countries play cricket and Movies are shit here with no story ( Same old love story stuff from 50s).
If you want your sons/daughters to grow up in this kind of society – you are very welcome.
Nobody wants to live in a country where you are not treated as HUMAN BEING but a resource which is to be utilized to the max.
In the office (exploitation of your mind for cheap pay), taxes and corruption (Govt. taking your money – but you don’t see what difference your payment of tax is making in the country), pay bribe to get a simple thing as Passport which in realty is your RIGHT.
You can easily see your Right being thrown in the gutter and all you can do is watch.
People exploit each other for they know there are no rules and laws that will stop them.
No body can sue you for the wrong you have done.
If you really want to want to Live in this country – there are only 2 professions – Civil Servants (You have some respect here – though not sure what future you kid have one you retire) and Politics (Only these people are safe).
In the end what I wanted to say that MONEY IS NOT even 5 % of the main reason.
I would really love to be in a country where you know that some one will come to look after you when you dial 911 irrespective of your social status – whether you are shit-cleaner or President.
This was my personal opinion, I know most will try to show patriotism here but deep down in their heart they also feel this way. MONEY IS NOT IN THE PICTURE.
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Adding my thoughts to above Real Reasons.
About 12 months back, my little kid was inside the car on driver’s seat. My wife left the keys in the back seat. without realizing the keys are inside, she closed the doors.
- Minute 0 – Right after she closed the door, this kid hit the central lock.
- Minute 3 to 4 – So, we called 911
- Minute 4 – Started Hearing Sirens
- Minute 5 – Fire Truck Arrived.
- Minute 7 – Door unlocked
- Minute 10 – We gave our kid to those firemen to take a photo.
- Minute 11 – I asked them do we have to pay you? They aid nothing, you can drive home. No need to sign any papers or anything. Just drive.
My parents were visiting us and my dad said, if this were to happen in India, police will be standing by to get some money from us.
This is one small example of how people are treated with respect. It’s not the money, as the above poster said, its more than that.
Here is another experience of a person who called 911 – I called 911 for $4.50 Internet Fraud.
For those who haven’t been to USA, the view you have is only through the movies and TV programs.
You will realize the beauty of this country only when you experience and live it. One day I would have to move back to India, but when the day comes, I will try to spread the good things I have learned here to folks around.
It is difficult to say which country is better than the other. Obviously, each one does have its pros and cons.
@ HSB – It doesnt bother me as long as parasites hate or love!!!
@ SAM- Sam thinks he’s got two horns by being/trying to be in an alien nation of no good. How many of us would really come back to India for bringing that revenue exchange benefits (unless kicked off during a lay off)??
I am a recruitment consultant. Everyone wants to come back to India when their Daughters are crossing 12 to 14 years and facing dating issues OR Problems related to H1B Visas extension.
Indian HR Managers complete Telephone interviews and offer a Job. Out of 100 candidates receiving an offer 90 to 95 decide to continue in USA(They either find stability in their US Job or they are only FISHING for an opportunity and not serious in relocating). Only 5 relocate back to India. A lot of time of HR Managers gets wasted.
kudos HSB..!
Well articulated and excellence in your opinion portrait. We Indians realize the reality of dread and greedy politicians + film industry and their dirty services when times comes.
As you said US services towards people is far more better than our country.
I suggest to all those walking blind pose towards country’s system just pull up sock to know where we are standing.
very cool post.!
I would say you people doesn’t know to live in INDIA
you guys say only politician and law people’s have a good life in INDIA then you turn out to be a law person don’t blame the country if you don’t know how to live in.
and the amenities you are getting is not for everybody in US
i have even read in HSB that one student was asked to pay 250$ for calling 911
FIGHT FOR YOUR PLACE DON’T RUN LIKE A COWARD
and you guys don’t have a single right to talk about INDIAN NATION.
Student was asked to pay $500 for not calling 911 for for Ambulance service (in most cases its when you called Emergency when its not real emergency or health insurance related cost).
And does anyone know how much Money India gets from folks living abroad?
I bet you, the money will always be less then from what xenophobic foreigners have taken away from warm hearted Indians.
India could have defaulted multiple times for the payments going towards oil (and other imported goods) etc. The Indians living abroad are as important to India economically as the citizens in India itself.
Emotions aside, remember when India had almost defaulted in 1991? We import almost everything needed to progress in today’s world – from coal to oil, from raw materials to finished goods. We simply cannot survive alone in globalized economy.
well the author in his post pressed on his point several times about not being over patriotic and facing the reality but i dont understand why few people cant read things properly.Its indeed a reality whatever is said being patriotic is gud but ignoring harsh reality is extremely harmful..scams,politics,waste movies ,and same old gonda attitude is the real problem.and that cant be denied ..face it or fake it thats the only options available these days in india.every report or data thats been made looks like a politicians promise…we will do ..they never say we are doing ..indeed we in india are still living in stone age..we cant even compare our cities to villages in USA or even China..than what are we proud of.deep shits happening across country are we proud of ..I dont see India going anywhere consider it 2050 or even 50years after that..we need to change attitude of people.but it may sound harsh and bad but i feel attitude has only gone bad and is getting worse in us(Indian’s)..
What is this man?? How can you “abuse” your motherland for another country where u r nothing but A THIRD WORLD CITIZEN? You studied here, you grew ur balls(dont take it foul) here not in US. Ok the administration is corrupt here,police is a darned body here,nobody is sincere here. I agree man,even I am infuriated at times. But in reply what did you do,run to another country and vomit shit about ur country. HAVE SOME SHAME MAN. STOP DOING THIS. WHAT DO YOU THNK?? YOU HAVE BROUGHT OUT UR COUNTRY’S STATUS IN FRONT OF THE WORLD??? NO DEAR NO,WHAT YOU HAVE DONE IS THAT YOU HAVE PROVED THAT YOU DONT DESERVE TO BE OWNED BY ANY COUNTRY,NOT INDIA NOT US NOBODY MAN. U R A ILL SOUL. U HURT A MILLION HEARTS. U R A HUGE DUMP OF SHIT!!!
As I said before Patriotism is different from Reality.
you are a fool HSB ….we know all these reality and i dont know about others except of you and me …about you i can say stop telling these reality and do something good for your home country and then tell that to the peoples that do that…soo dont try to be oversmart or i should say a realist…..ILL GUY
HSB dosent seem to realize that in reality he is promoting USA, even if it means demeaning his own country (i suppose him to be an Indian national).
I tell you what next he’s gonna bring a post on the role of USA in success of slumdog millionare (even though danny boyle is english) .
THANK GOD I HAVE PATROITISM. ATLEAT MY MOTHER(LAND) WILL OWN ME WEN I WL B ALONE, WHEREAS YOU WILL BE LIKE THE DHOBI(LAUNDRY) KA KUTTA(I M NOT ABUSING YOU). BUT DONT WORRY,INDIA AND INDIANS HAVE BIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGGG HEARTS. THEY WILL “FORGIVE YOU”. POOR SOUL!! I AM ALSO PLANNING TO GO TO US FOR MS BUT NOT BCOZ “THEY ARE BETTER” BUT BCOZ NOW ITS THE TIME FOR US(NOT usa,ITS US) TO DRAIN SOME TECHNOLOGY FROM THERE IN REPLY OF THE BRAIN DRAIN THAT IDIOTS LIKE YOU ARE RESPONSILE OF!!
Silly guy…. trying to fool himself along with the rest of the world that he wants to drain some technology from the US to make up for the brain drain…. and he talks about other guys bullshit….
if u really felt that way u wud probably think of studying in India itself…. we have many good colleges u know…. 
at least most guys r truthful about their reasons…. HSB has been truthful too….
This post is just pessimistic and escapist. You cannot go around bashing the country which gave you shelter , the country which you gave you free speech,the country which gave you the opportunity to go and have a better life in countries like USA(imagine African countries) in the first place !
Not everybody in this world gets everything.It is not wrong for wanting everything ,but it is wrong for blaming others(in this case country) for not having life which you dream off.
The country Which gave Shelter??? What are you talking about? The country’s govt which takes 9 months for issuing my passport if i didnt want to pay bribe? I got my licence in 6 months when i didnt pay bribe. The passport verification officer (police) says its a standard rate bribe of 500/- for verification.
The country that does not realize your importance. The country which gives importance to reservation rather than talent. You dont have a single place in the country which doesnt bother you with reservation. Originally the plan for reservation in the Constitution of India was for 10 yrs. Its still there and is expanding, making little room for an OC person to actually LIVE in a country like this. No Matter how hard i work, No matter how talented i am, i will be snubbed by some SC ST BC OBC (the list goes on).
For a person like me, To do my Mtech in my field (Aerospace), from IIT (which is the only inst in which u can learn something), I need to rank atleast among the Top 50 in the country which has got a population of 1 billion
If you want to become a good doctor, Just for the fees, you need to spend 1 Cr which is terrible.
You want to have a walk after tiresome work and you will find that someone is spitting on the road and you will be about to step on it. most cases, you will do it unknowingly.
Traffic police will work at his best only during festival seasons or when he needs money (bribe). 90% of the money a person pays to the traffic police is bribe. and is the traffic managed properly? NO.
If a girl wants to go home, she has to make it before 9. Otherwise it is a challenge for her to go alone. If you want to buy anything from any store, You have to wait till 11 am for the shops to open slowly.
Accident issue has been clearly explained. But Accidents happen rarely but what about regular life? Where is humanity in making a man work so hard that he forgets how to live a life? Where is humanity when a man is surrounded by people who are ready to cheat him and loot him all the time and at the end, he too turns like that…
Why do you want to be an aerospace techie when you clearly have so many concerns. If you have enough guts go break a leg. be the change you want to be.
‘If you want to become a good doctor, Just for the fees, you need to spend 1 Cr which is terrible’ Are you kidding me ? I’m from a family of doctors right from my father to sisters are all doctors who earned a degree from respectable colleges based on merit and believe me they did not spend more than 5Lakhs to complete their course.Get your facts right !
I did not expect this from a student who has studied from IIT.The government lets you study at meager fee’s(compared to usa) ,gets you a good pay package and this is how you give back to your country ? .Can i ask why you did not take the easy way out ‘The solution’ to every problem and go to USA ???
Hi Varun, you better watch your words!!! When you defend yourself you better not hurt someone. If we exchange some words in here it goes viral and the outcome would be unnecessary to HSB and all who follow the blog. Use such blogs for info sharing than kicking others back!
@African I’m sorry if I offended you , It was not I intended.By african I was pointing towards the poverty and the lack of opportunity.
YEAH WE ARE SORRY. ACTUALLY WE NEVER TALK LIKE THIS. BUT SOME IDIOTS COMPEL US. HE MEANT NO BAD BRO.ITS JUST THE SITUATION THERE. INDIA WAS ALSO IN SIMILAR SITUATION IN HISTORY. SORRY!!! GOD BLESS AFRICA!!!
HI HSB,
I guess all the people opposing this post have a simple point to make- When you criticise something(anything), always mention what you have done to improve it, as well…So next time you criticize India..pls do add a few of your social services for India as well!!
To the person who is saying we haven’t done anything for the country, let me add that we have been sacrificing 30% of our hard earned money so that the government can feed the poor, give us good infrastructure and services.. And frankly speaking, we hardly get any benefit of paying tax here.. Neither are the public schools improving their quality of education neither do we tax payers get any benefit from government hospitals.. Even in AIIMS, 90% of beds are given to rich and affluent ppl where as the poor have to wait for months to get a bed.. We have to pay money for passport.. The person who is saying that ppl who are idle pay money for passport must be from some small town(lucky you!!) coz i applied from Mumbai and it takes months to get a passport unless you decide to pay 6000.. in that case, you can get it done in 2 weeks.. see the difference? I hate the system.. Seriously. That’s the only thing I hate in our country. Any work that involves a government registration can not be done without paying bribes.. There may be exceptions.. But I pay tax and I expect at least some services to be done promptly in return
Great Post! Its only 4 months since I have been in the U.S and I fell in love with this country for every reason that you have shared in this post. Kudos to your courage for sharing your thoughts. I pity all those who deny the facts in the name of patriotism or whatever.
Most people have opposing views are those who never been to USA.
They don’t understand the difference between Patriotism and Reality.
Why do u disregard other people’s opinion just because they have not studied in USA or are not living there? I have so many people in USA who always keep telling that how shallow the life is over there… Besides the author of above post is telling his opinion based on the quality of movies in India? Its ok to criticize one’s own faults, but its not ok to insult one coz of their flaws. USA is a good country for sure (no doubt about its services), but it doesn’t that people living anywhere else in the world are inferior to the so-called US immigrants in any way.
I’m not disregarding others opinions. I’m arguing in support of my statements. Just like they have opinions, I have mine. They can continue to argue in support of their opinions.
That’s why I like ur reasons coz u talk sense.. However I really despise people who r saying they pity people who r not in USA and opposing this view? Who are those people? How can they prove they are better than the people who are not willingly going to USA? Tri-valley univ students also got the US visa and were living there. Flaws are everywhere (somewhere more than others). So many IITians, opt to stay in India… If Mr. APJ Abdul Kalam would have thought like that, he would have never been the President of India from a simple newspaper-seller. Its all about how people fight their way through the system. I also don;t like many things here, but it is what it is. I believe to be honest on a personal level n no I have not given bribe till date (Not for my Passport, not for my LORs for anywhere. ) . Its good that they love things in USA, but could any of these people( who are pitying others for not going/living to/in USA) dared to say all these facts in their VISA INTERVIEW? DID THEY? After all US procedures are transparent and more truthful, did they dare to tell this truth about their own country and their motive to go to USA in their interview?
Im sure you will never get response from author or HSB on the below query: Its good that they love things in USA, but could any of these people( who are pitying others for not going/living to/in USA) dared to say all these facts in their VISA INTERVIEW? DID THEY?
They will NOT?? Because they are true Patriots… And they only care about the Quality of their on life…..
100s of Indian students are dead because of the racism and for many other reasons but still US is a safer place than India……
We want only white collar jobs in India but we love to work like dogs in Gas Stations, Restaurants, Public Toilets, what no every possible place in US for dollars because they respect people equally there…..
I Pity my country because it gives shelter for selfish people till their needs are fulfilled and takes back the insult and not respect which it deserves…..
This Country is exploited by its politicians, policemen, la person, got employees and now kind people like this author…..
Im worried how these third world public respect nor love thier on Mother….
I think USA is not popular for its Services and Quality of LIFE in 1900s…. Else our freedom fighters would have flirted like our true patriotic AUTHOR of this post………
I said that I pity those who cannot understand and accept the facts about India. Understand that nobody is encouraging you to give up your life in India and come to the U.S. If you are happy in India, so be it. Staying in India or U.S is a matter of personal choice. Good for you that you never bribed for passport. It took me more than 6 months and influence of a political leader to get my name corrected in the passport. You have your reasons to stay in India and others have their own to stay in U.S. Coming to your point of visa interview, we came to U.S for quality education and that’s what we said in the interview. The quality of life here is just an added advantage. Just because you are in India does not make you more of a patriot than the Indians in U.S and you need not speak as if you fought for the Independence of India.
LMAO @ ^
Well yes ma’am, I haven’t fought for the Indian Independence, I haven’t done anything great for India yet, THAT’S WHY I AM NOT COMPLAINING ABOUT THE SYSTEM HERE EITHER. If I am talking as if I fought for Indian independence, then you are talking as if you spent half of your life span in India trying to change the system and all the Indians spoiled your efforts and so you went away to US….. I believe if I havent done anything to improve the country, I dont have any right to criticize it for what it is. I would suggest you not to get personal. Moreover, US authorities have given you the visa for showing strong ties back at home, but when you hate/dislike your country so much, then probably you must have said “OHHH I LOVE INDIA,” in ur visa interview … You got no right to pity others, you haven’t won a Nobel by going to USA. If you are so patriotic/worried/in love about/with India, then do come here after your studies and do something for the country. Else stop whining that India was so bad and I have reached heavens… Good luck to u
@A : +100, well said. yeah, everyone was crying out loud in Visa interview ‘ I Soooooooo love India’! Back stabbers… never can speak truth!
many patriots are telling others to do something for your country and not leave it.I think everybody can’t afford to be Mr. Anna Hazzare and Arvind Kejriwal….to bring revolution you need to sacrifice your comforts…and for how long can you do that?you guys talk about patriotism because you afford to earn food for yourself…think about your poor fellow countrymen who sleep hungry…can you afford to help them …no because you have your own obligations…..there are many many NRIs who send money to india to support non profit organizations and contribute in many other ways….
you guys talk about culture….only those kids get spoiled here whose parents don’t give time to their kids because they are busy making money or they initially themselves try to copy the modern culture of America…nobody is running from the current situation….but to make others happy ,first you need to be happy…..if you are so emotionally attached to your motherland then where is the love for your small villages and towns where you are born…do;nt you leave them and get settled in big cities like Delhi or Mumbai in pursuit of better education and living standards.How many of you go back to live in your villages….can you go back there and open your clinic if doctor or open a small company if MBA or teach in govt school if you are teacher.
Before talking big ,either be ready for sacrifices yourself and start working for its upliftment else let the people find their own way of working for their country.
Fitting reply
+1.00 !!!
I am eagerly awaiting a reply from HSB on this reality. (I am sure he ll ignore this post.)
When I attended the Visa interview I spoke the truth and asked others to speak the truth.
Specifically – What will you do after Graduation?
I will work in OPT to gain experience from USA.
Why as per OPT/F1 rules you are allowed to work. You will get to live and work in USA after that is not in your hands, but in the hands on your employer.
Now you have answer to the question.
Well i don’t see any need for HSB to mention interview questions and experiences then, if one is articulate (given that you appear for Toefl and Ielts) and has to speak the truth then why would he need to go through those questions.
The only reason one looks out for these interviews is because they might not be sure which answer is most probable to help them get through, and it can be inferred that HSB is helping people fake Visa interviews.
Now talking about REALITY there was no reason for me to bring this up, but i had to do it cause it all started from showing reality about India and living in India.
Just making a point here.
Of course I got my answer and I have known this answer following your posts since last couple of years. Its you who went to US with a thought to make a better career and do great in life, but my question was for the people/person who is going to US with a preset mentality full of dislike for his own country. People do work during their OPT period and its surely great. My comment was for those people who after getting the US F1 visa think in their minds for India -” Thank god I have got rid of this shit place. Now the heavens are awaiting for me “…. That’s the thinking we all are talking about sir. A good student (greater human being) deserves to go anywhere in the world to follow his dreams, but not a person who isn’t faithful to his own native country. The above post’s author has inferred his opinions based on the kind of TV serials/Bollywood movies etc made in India? Come on in US also teenagers are not as career oriented as in India/China. All they can think of is weed/sex/gals etc. Nothing bad in it, they have their culture we have our.
What will I do after graduation? I have got offers from top universities of U.K. and Germany for my masters and I am contemplating if I should do job or studies.
@A…
Well Said…. I bet this famous author will never respond to these comments anymore….
@ Vamsi- Ma’am I am really not trying to prove that the above author of the post or Ms. Shalini’s comments are wrong. Its just that we all have a difference of opinion.
THINK ON THIS QUOTE
“Patriotism is a superstition artificially created and maintained through a web of lies and falsehoods, robbing us of our dignity and increasing our arrogance and conceit.”
-Emma Goldman
I started following HSB in order to get acquainted with GRE and it has helped me a lot. It is authored probably by some Indian guy living in the US. See, that’s the kind of contribution we all need from the people who are going abroad. Mr.HSB is helping so many people (that too free) for everything related to GRE/TOEFL and making decisions worth crores of INR. He isnt just helping the society but also people from all nations who are free to join here. Thats what we can call as a contribution to the society and to the nation. It doesn’t matter what country we are living, the thing that matters is that if one hasn’t done anything to improve the system/contribute to the society, he/she hasn’t got the rights really to say shit about that system(in an insulting manner I mean ). Just see the movie Swades (if you haven’t), thats the kind of patriotism we need, not the blind patriotism which just denies the truth and fights blindly.
I love this country.
For every reason written in the post, I hate India as much. You can not let the corrupt govt to exploit you just because you love your country. That’s not patriotism.
I even had to pay to get recommendation letter from my own college to apply for studies in US. Lol….what a pity on them. I am in such a mentally relaxed state since I have come here and I dont think I am ever going back there. Perios.
You don’t let govt exploit you just beacuse you love your country. You prefer to stand by your country and raise it’s standard, even at the cost of letting some selfish people exploit you and that’s how people rise – like ambani’s or ajim premji’s.
I hope some of you are having a ball of time at the land of opportunities since now few can manage enough time to PITY people as well. No doubt it’s amazing in America.
i though doubt that HSB did much work to find out about people having opposing views. If yes how? Anyways you have brand America to endorse and there’s nothing wrong since HSB is a one stop place which will always have words of praise for the place; else it would defy the very purpose of it’s being.
For people who believe every comment of the moderator ” you will never find a post that ‘ll promote or highlight the negative aspects of USA”
I really wish that reality does’nt come in a bitter way to those who are ignoring all aspects of making career in a foreign land, while rejoicing the benefits based on money gained through tyrannical impositions and wars.
Look out people!!! find out things for yourselves and don’t rely too much on s/o or s/t
For your kind information Mr HSB, I’ve been to USA (Chicago, Illionois).Please dont think you got two horns on your head by being in USA!!!
This is your comment – Doing a part time job while studying here (India) is considered a sin and of low esteem, but you buggers readily lick the asses of americans there by doing all odd jobs for some bucks more!!
You haven’t answered my question – Why its not OK to work part time while studying in USA when its ok for you to work full time for American client/Company/Project?
HSB, you’re right. It’s perfectly okay to work part time while studying. In India, they let their ego’s rule their hearts so they don’t, In US they have no option.
@ HSB : Patriotism and Reality might be different, but they go hand in hand.
US will certainly deport you if you cease to add any value to their country, unless, you manage to get a green card. And even if you obtain a green card, you’re ‘american indian’ not just ‘american’. Even if you ditch your country your ‘paradise’ will not forget to add the word ‘Indian’!
If you learn anything from americans. learn patriotism. They love their country a lot, wherever they go or live!
yes. for a reason. not blindly. tell me WHY you love india so much? because of ‘cuture’ and ‘history’? what culture and history ? how much of it do you follow? whatever’s convenient for you? I am not even a US aspirant so i’m not really endorsing the US. but there’s no need to endorse or be ‘patriotic’ about India either. People should be individuals. Decide where in the world they fit in, irrespective of where they are born or which caste they belong to. And if that happens to be the US, so be it. If it happens to be India, good for you. but don’t say you’re here because you are ‘patriotic’. You are here because you like it better here. You are not ‘sacrificing’ going to the US so that you can stay here and ‘serve’ the country.
I understand HSB’s feelings why it wrote this post but its not like that. I am not trying to talk like a typical Indian but the fact is ESCAPISM is not the ultimate solution. All the above situations are faced by nearly everyone in our country (except politicians as posted), so what about them(the common people)?You gave your vision for the aspirants only but this post will definitely intrigue negative feelings and hatred among anyone who will read this post for his country. What your post is suggesting (to me at least) is that you are asking us(the aspirants) who may belong to some privileged families that as we are having so many issues and problems so “RUN away” inspite of facing and fighting all the issues. We are born in this country and atleast we should think of serving it somehow if not doing man. I know you wanted to showcase the differences between two countries and showcasing the “actual India ” but the way is not correct. Blaming the things is much easier than finding a solution. No, seriously the words of the person posting this blog are self suggesting his thinking spectrum. ha!He doesn’t like his country because it doesn’t produces good movies !!
@piyush: I completely agree with you!! ESCAPISM the word perfectly describes the above article.. I would have respected the person writing the above article if he had mentioned a few things he had done to improve the scenario in India!! If all the Americans had a similar attitude they would be in a similar state as us!!
I’m totally agree with u…
At least the original post should have used a right tone or euphemism. You need to be careful HSB when there’s a significant number of your subscription from INDIA (i hope so).
Do you really care about the reality then why don’t you bring about similar problems faced in USA. I am sure you may have instances and people will know this ain’t a one sided argument on your part at least.
Bhai, badi badi baate karne se kuch nhi hoga. Sab dekh liya hai. We will see, what difference you will make in India 20 years from now. Situation wahan pe change hoti hai jahan log change dekhna chahte hai. They cant even pass one lokpal bill for the fear they will loose authority over a common man.
Here is a link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHfz7EjOL6w
And the parliament want this person to apologize . Why? Because he is telling the truth, thats why? Kuch nahi hone wala bhai…yahi sach hai aur ise maan le !!
AREY BURBAK SAMEER TOH TU ATAA NAI IS DESH ME KUCH BADALNE KO.WAHA SE SE KYA CHABAD CHABAD KAR RAHA. YOU ARE NOT AN INDIAN,U R NOT AN AMERICAN,WHAT ARE YOU BULLSHIT??
AREY BURBAK SUMEET TOH TU ATAA NAI IS DESH ME KUCH BADALNE KO.WAHA SE SE KYA CHABAD CHABAD KAR RAHA. YOU ARE NOT AN INDIAN (COZ U DONT WNA BE),U R NOT AN AMERICAN(BY THE LAW),WHAT ARE YOU BULLSHIT??
Exactly… you have spoken my mind here and you have put it really well.
I don’t find the above post to be offensive.
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The author points out the flaws in the system,but not in the country or the people living in it.
Its not about demeaning the country.
Things can be better in the Country
very true. we need to spread this all over india. i agree completely.
“I know that after 5-8 u will be paid 3-4 Lacs per month in India.”.. 5-8 what?
decades
We have also seen the Police Brutality by LA Police on TV. People are afraid to move out of their Hotel after 6 PM in any city near Downtown areas (LA, Chicago, DC…). USA has not the population which India or China has and causing wars all around the GLOBE to help its economy. If people in India are talking about cricket persons in USA are only speaking about GAS prices whenever there is an increase of 5 cents in Gas prices or Weather. Daily conversations are not interesting Weather or Gas prices, We in India are pay USD 8.00 or more for adulterated GAS per gallon and very few talk about Gas prices even once in a month. China will be No.1 in 2020 and India in 2050 mentioned a report. I will not be alive in 2050 but probably your son will see India being No. 1 in the world in 2050.
There are many things wrong in India because of corruption. Middle and Upper class can keep complaining and not Voting when elections happen. Media is trying to change things by reporting corruption among Politicians. Even FRANCE Defence Lobby trying to remove India’s Defence Minister. Even USA could have murdered many Heads of coutries if they did not toe the line of USA. We know how United Nations gets pushed around. Let us wait for 2020 and 2050 and then you talk about USA.
I would say my reasons are also close to what you said.This country has offered me peace of mind and a belief that your hard work would not go waste.
Great Post.
I agree with most of your views.Yes USA has lot of respect for Human beings and everyone is treated with respect here.The services like 911 is amazing as I have personally experienced it.When I called it didn’t take 2 minutes for the Ambulance and police to reach my house within 2 minutes.What amazed me is everyone can get treatment without worrying about paying to hospital to get discharged( If you have Health Insurance), a very unlikely seen in India.
What amazed me the most is the way they educate people.I am admitted to Yale and Michigan and I am planning to study after working for 14 years. Its amazing to see the infrastructure, the programs and the way they treat every student.I had apprehensions about my age ,but when I went to open house every student was so friendly and the faculties were so encouraging,I am now waiting to be ” Student” again. I wish India will soon realize and some progress will be made.I Love my country and contribute to its success in whichever way possible. I agree with you that Its a great place to study,inspite of certain challenges.
do you know how many american patients come to india for medical treatment/surgeries?? You are naive about health insurance and costs. calling ambulance and going to hospital room will cost you so much that you can buy a new ambulance in India.
That is very true. Health Care Cost is very expensive. One of the reasons is that hospitals treat each and everyone during emergency (no questions asked).
If you are covered in Health INsurance you really don’t have to worry about any treatment.Insurance companies will pay for it.If you don’t have,Its hell.However the way the doctors treat patients here,Hospital system is incomparable to India.Even poor patients with government insurance are treated well here.No discrimination against anyone.
I have worked for 13 years in Healthcare industry in India.We have lot of good things ,but need to learn from US many good things.
I attended on my nephew who had a Brain Haemorrhage on 10th Nov 2010 at Richmond, Virginia, USA in Nov 2010. He was in ICU for 2 months. I lived in Critical Care Hospital VCU for 3 months. The Nurses attending in ICU are Good but the Nurses in the Ward outside ICU did not know to draw blood for blood tests even after 3 attempts. This comment I am making after observation over 3 months Nov 2010 to Feb 2011. USA does not have the good Nurses we have in India. Costs per day in ICU = USD 15,000 per day!.
+1. SAME EXP FOR MY COUSIN WHU HAD A MULTIPLE FRACTURE IN RIBS DUE TO A DRUG ADDICT’S RECKLESS DRIVIN.AND THEY TALK OF INDIA
P.S. And nobody takes drugs or gets in car accidents in India right….? all of that only happens in the U.S….. man give solid reasons na….
@nikhil The reasons are for ‘nothing goes wrong here in USA’ debaters !
Yes Emergency it is great to get an Ambulance fast to your home.
1) How many days you have to wait to meet a Spealist Doctor? Appointment possible within 30 days? 60 days?
2) Feedback after Medical Tests have been completed. Possible same or next day?
3) Nurses Appointment in Hospital – Anyone willing to become a Nurse seems to get appointmented. People until Age 50 have not worked as Nurses at all they have worked in some other profession. Suddenly they get trained and deployed as Nurses. They are only good in cleaning patients and changing bedsheets and administering medicines. Even injections they are not bothered how much paid it gives the patients. Drawing blood they 60% of the Nurses are not good. If the patients relatives are observing they panic and throw everything into dustbin and rush back to the Nursing station and want some Senior Nurse to draw the blood.
India will become No.1 destination for Medical treatment. But this will be at the cost for we citizens of India. Just like Indians going abroad and working at lower salary. Foreign Nationals coming to India for Medical treatment would mean that Indian Middle class have to pay Rs 4.0 Lakhs for Heart Surgery compared to Rs. 2.0 Lakhs currently.
Grow up Mr. whoever u r…..this is a very immature post,and the situations you described seems very much motivated by bollywood flicks,few things happened to u and u r blaming the country!Do u think someone gets well treated who doesnt have respect for his own country, you are surely living in a dreamland !
Situations described is not just faced by one person. So, you are saying, you are your members of your family never had to bribe anyone to get things done in India? Having Love for the country vs hating whats happening in the country are 2 different things.
i believe there’s nothing in America that can be hated enough to enlist it as a country not suitable for studying, working or living. Am i Right right HSB?????
Your right HSB. But in India paying a bribe is almost natural and perfectly alright for any one in India.
Hi all,
I would like to give one small example regarding the emergency treatment for the poorer citizens in India, a fellow from the community had stab injuries was profusely bleeding went to secondary care hospital he was denied admission as it was a police case……he was taken three to four hospitals where the treatment was denied………..at last they went to a tertiary care center………..he was admitted after FIR, had to bribe police with Rs.1000, and junior residents were treating him. There was need of emergency surgery but was demanded money of Rs.20k without which there was no sign of specialist……..after paying money surgery was done……..successfully………..in total he had paid…………Rs.25k as bribe…….to get treatment that to in a government hospital………….this is one part on the health care services in India………..for the poorer cousins of ours……….This is not the story or made up lines………..this is from the field case study……….I have hundreds of case studies like this to prove the pathetic emergency service in India and health care services provided to the poor. No more to say……………
may be true dude here no value fr a person wd high thinking and simple living ,ppl needs money the hell outta anything may be nt so low values btter people also thr but things nt upto the amrk more pessimistic and negative than optimistic
It seems that author of this post is very pessimitsitc about India. After all its very poor country as I can infer out from his post. But I never seen in India that doctor denied treatment because I dont have health insurence. Such things always happens in US. If he/she dont know.
The So called Great Country have federal debt of $15 tn almost 105% of their GDP and not of Govt Income. Plus 48 out of 50 states are under debt. Their politicians squabble every six months to raise debt ceiling. (if author dont know about this please read on web.
In So called Great Country already hundreds of public schools are closed down, in California most of the public schools stopped school bus service. My onsite manger in Atlanta drives his kids to school every day because no school buses..Thousands of police laid off in last 2-3 yrs across US.
There are people who discuss topics other than Cricekt for that person should have IQ and he should have such company with them. I also know how much intelligent american people are. Most of the americans dont know anything other than their county.
If you had paid bribe to get passport then you must most idle man in India, because if you fill passport form online and if you reach on time at passport office alongwith sufficient documents, you even need not to pay rupee of bribe.
With our taxes govt. is running schemes like NREGA, Sarva Shiksha Abhiyaan those are necessary to maintain equillibrium in society.
Fortunately I am working with americans for last two years, you must be surprised to hear that most of the my american colleugues work for 12-13 hrs a day because they want to do progress in their life. There are some guys who work for exactly 8 hrs means from 9-5, but they’re still Software Engineers for last 10 years. Because if you take responsiblity on your own you prgress alot.
With almost 40% of income tax India will also be able to provide emergency service like 911.
If you are dying and taken to hospital, you will not be asked to go to Government Hospital or require police certification before beginning treatment.
When you are dying, you go to hospital in America, you WILL GET Treatment, if you have insurance or not. They don’t say this is police issue or to to Government hospitals.
What does IQ got to do with not knowing about other countries? People in USA can talk about how many Medals they won in Olympics or Basketball or Americna Football. What does that go to do with not knowing about other countries?
Does Mr. Aditya Agashe really work on-site in an American company? Dude how did you get through with such a mediocre level of english? A country good or bad does not depend on the debt it has or whether the school bus services are available but depends on how the administration treats the country’s citizens, it depends on the fact that the stakeholders are working because they feel its their moral responsibility towards the country and not because “I do not have any other job” or “I am getting paid for it”. You might have a valid point for the passport case, however your other arguments are totally baseless.
Regarding the Passport case :
Even if you fill the online form and go to the passport office on time and deposit the form, you ‘ll have to pay some money (Rs. 200 to 500) to the local police as a FEE for the police verification. The police officers demand this fees and without it you cannot get your passport.
And regarding the passport i had all the documents perfect and submitted everything on timings and there was a cop who came to my home for inspection and asked for a bribe to approve it and if i don’t pay him, do u think i ll be getting my passport without any issues. It took me 6 months to get a passport in India. It just took exactly 30 minutes to get a passport for a new born baby in US (obviously No bribe).
and 40% of the income tax money in india is used to provide for emergency services like 911, (you got to be kidding). our president Mrs.Patel went to 23 countries in the past 2 years spending $20 million. i got no idea what goodness it brought to India. As far as i know, most of the tax payers are middle level employees ( they got no option, they get their pie only after the government byte) and do u think all the other rich peoples and politicians pay their taxes properly. and Most of the tax money goes to the pockets and swiss accounts of Industrialists ( who takes govt tenders) and politicians.
What do u think apart from bribe, corruption and cricket.
My o my.
I was going to post the same. It took me 1 year to get my passport just for same reason. Took less then 20 mins to apply for passport via nearby US post office and there was no police verification and 1 year wait.
I wonder why same system can’t be implemented in India.
Someone would argue we need to 40% in taxes.
Mr. HSB…I would advice you to write ONLY what is true, Dont assume things. Who said you need to get a Police report to get treatment? Who said that the person who admitted an injured person has to go through the Police stations??
Go read about the Good Samaritan law in INDIA and we will talk.
We all are cowards who ran out of our country. We caused Brain drain to our country. We have no moral right to say a word against my Beloved Mother land.
I know Indian supreme court recently passed the law to prevent that. To save some one life supreme court doesn’t have to pass a law.
FYI – I was born in the family of doctors.
I think you are out of your mind HSB….blaming things is a very simple thing and if you feel that our country is lagging then i think you are quite educated to try to do something good for the country. Leaving the motherland is not the right way you are suggesting here to all of us..About corruption i like to say we are the one who takes bribe and we are the only peoples who works in govt offices so rather then suggesting peoples that you should leave , try to encourage them to do something good for the country.You self have’nt done anything gud for the country and if you cannot do good after becoming soo damn educated from your loving country usa then all skills you have acquired are useless.I REQUEST TO ALL THE PEOPLES OF INDIA THAT THIS MAN HAS LOST HIS MIND COMPLETELY SOO DONT HEAR TO HIM. NOTHING IS PERFECT WE ARE THE ONE WHO MAKE THINGS PERFECT.WE GO TO USA THERE IS NOTHING BAD IN THAT BUT WHATEVER WE GAIN FROM THERE WE WILL PUT THAT IN THE SERVICE OF OUR NATION .LAST I WILL SAY ATLEAST WE CAN GIVE OUR BEST TRY FOR THE COUNTRY BECAUSE GETTING AWAY FORM PROBLEMS IS NOT A REAL SOLUTION .
Many people are talking that we must do something for India. But what they want to do and how they they want to do that is always the question. People are just talking to do something but none mentioned what to do and that’s the problem. None is the solution maker here, but everyone just want to speak to others fault. People who really do want to do something for the country need to be with atleast some point on how to do something. The man is himself out of his mind. These kinda people want to come on HSB dailt, read the posts, follow it and then claiming it mad.
Everyone is saying that you should do something for our country to improve the scenario here. So all of you ( asking everyone to do something for our country) could please tell us WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR OUR COUNTRY ??
It is easy to say things. So first tell us what have you done and then give us your suggestions.
dear ankit and chaitanya
it personally happened to me when i met an accident in india. i was bleeding and the doctors asked me to file an FIR to start the medication.
we did not cause any brain drain to india. intact our brains are better exposed, utilized and mainly RESPECTED here. tell me if u come up with a new idea or project, do u think some one is going to hear you and implemend your work practically in india., ( think about lok pal, with millions of supported all around the country, it is still a failure).
we are ready to do something good for the country, but do u think the corrupted politicians and gundas are going to let us live unthreatened. and obviously people have a poor memory and busy with their own world of surviving and making money for their kids. they ll forget everything soon.
and tell me how many govt officials do their work properly. i bet you its not more than 15%.
Most of the good and strict police officers were either killed or transferred.
HSB you joined the ignorant’s list when you said you need a police certification for treatment in India. Things have changed but you still seem to be stuck in the mid-90s Bollywood era movies. My friend met with an accident a few months back at around 1 o clock in the night and people around him called an ambulance straightaway. The ambulance arrived inside 2 mins but my friend was already on his way to the hospital thanks to the same citizen you were cursing. The traffic police seized both the vehicles and and released my friend’s vehicle the next day. The police took consent of my friend and he decided not to press charges since it was a mistake from both parties. The hospital began treatment immediately without needing any certification. So at least care to update yourself before you speak sheer nonsense.
Here is Times of India Article for you to Read – http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2010-04-14/kolkata/28128050_1_ruby-hospital-hospital-authorities-critical-care
I would like to believe my eyes rather than blindly believing one of the least credible newspaper in the country. Is it so hard to understand the point that I m trying to make when I said things are changing ? I always thought of you as a smart man HSB, but slowly that belief is fading. And the fact that you read TOI speaks volumes about your intellect. Do you even understand the vast amount of difference between India and USA historically culturally; politically; geographically etc. Comparison between India and Brazil or India and China is understandable to an extent since we are alike either geographically or population wise. At least educate yourself about the fact that USA got its independence 200 years before us and our population density is hugely greater than theirs and so does the challenges that come with it. Comparing apples and oranges and cursing one is neither intelligent nor amusing. You Sir are a muppet to do so.
You said your friends was treated without any issues when there was an accident. One incident doesn’t generalize what happens in other places.
I gave a report of what you claimed is not happening. What news paper do you trust, I can find a similar story for you. It doesn’t take long.
Do read the other comment posted by Indrajith who was asked for FIR before starting treatment.
When you come back with proof that 100% hospitals in India which doesn’t ask for FIR before treating emergency needs, then lets talk about who is smart and credible. Bevcause in USA you walk into any hospitals with emergency need, they will treat you.
Please HSB act smart here and read my comment again where I mention the unfair comparison about India and USA. Surely you have the sense to understand what I am trying to say here.
There is no right or wrong in this article. These are things that happen in everyday life, your experience is different than others and you are sharing your views and opinions. To compare if someone is smart is can’t be done from having arguments. My goal to run this site is different from your goal and why you spend time here. Likewise person who posted the comment shared his views, I shared mine and others shared their views. Just because you view is different than mine doesn’t mean you are smarter than me nor I’m smarter than you.
And for folks who think this is unfair comparison, I ask have you been to US and lived few years to compare 2 countries? How can one say its unfair comparison when someone haven’t been to USA say comparison is unfair? things you see in sticoms and movies is not same as living and experiencing life in a country.
For those who argued in support of India and never to been to USA, come back to this page when you had a chance to live, work or study in USA. Then I would like to know your views.
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dont talk about yourself ,an educated,financially stable citizen,think about thousands of poor indians who live in villages and slum areas where government scheme or policy work……
Would also like to add the dirty politics here, literally at every level, colleges, workplace, communities. Hope its not the same there too.
“Someday i ll go to my country and spread the good things i have learnt”
This is what India need from us.
U haven’t forgot India by living the american dream. Superb post
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great post HSB!
We’d hope for the better India… The day when these dreams come true, we can declare India as a developed country!
Very great post Mr. HSB. I really dont wish to disrespect any country or the social setup over there. However, the above post clearly shows the hatred/frustration/disrespect/dislike (whichever word one likes) towards one country and all praise for the other. But as a human being and as a person having little bit of nationalistic feelings, I feel that if one can’t respect his own country, then he is not worthy to be respected by the other’s country. Of course India has its flaws and major disadvantages, but does one start hating his own family if they are not up to one’s expectations? With due respect to the person who has vent out his hatred towards his own country, I would only say that USA is surely a great country with all the greatest facilities and best living standards available…… but it doesn’t mean India is a useless or crap country. I would love to work in USA/EU but I believe that whatever I am/ will be, its all because of India.
hear hear!!
yuppie people in INDIA shd change attitude , and cultivate the habits given by our ancestors not the things of jealous ,hatred ,meanness and illusions ………………wake up bros and set standards where everyone lives like a human beings and let everyone say ITS INDIA ITS ALWAYS BEST
THe whole issue pisses me off!! You do not have the right to comment on what India is or would be until and unless you have not made any contribution to its betterment. You buggers are a parasite…you have imbibed all ther essential education, right from nursery to engineering, in this mother country and then you fart on her face by pursuing your higher education abroad and settle out there. If YOU buggers are really concerned, why dont you do your bit and try something which could alleviate the sufferings of all? Doing a part time job while studying here is considered a sin and of low esteem, but you buggers readily lick the asses of americans there by doing all odd jobs for some bucks more!! Even I’m an Engineer, infact a topper from a very reputed college in India and I’m settled in India without any hitch or itch. It is because of you buggers is that this country is still poor!!!!!
Ram
So it’s ok to work for American client or projects for American company but working part time in USA is Sin?
“Doing a part time job while studying here is considered a sin and of low esteem”
I’d appreciate if you could read and underline ‘while studying’!!!
Ram
So, according to you it is OK to work for American Client Project (I hate you your your language here) to get salary that pays your bills, feeds you, your family, pays your rent as full time job, but you can’t do that while you study in America?
I think you should read it again; you completely missed what he said, that’s what being dogmatic does to you at times you start assuming what the other person is trying to say.
or is it that you never got the opportunity to travel to US. Is bringing foreign revenue to home country not considered good ?
I loved this post HSB, this is our confrontation with reality.
Dude, you have some serious problems. Don’t pour in your hatred this way using such mean language.